Buy.com has the Creative Zen Vision M 30gb MP3 Player for $174.99 after a $50 mail-in rebate valid through 2/5. Plus, shipping is free and there is no sales tax (except CA, MA, MD, TN). $175 net is the lowest total price by atleast $20. Most stores are $220-$250 before shipping and tax. Think of this as similar to a 30gb iPod but with an FM radio (and other features) and without $75 of the price. Great reviews: 4.5 of 5 by 75 reviewers.