Buy.com has the Creative Zen Vision M 30gb MP3 Player for $179 after the $20 off $50 discount you get if you pay via Google Checkout. Plus, shipping is free and there is no sales tax (except CA, MA, MD, TN). $179 shipped is the lowest total price by atleast $20. Most stores are around $230 before shipping and tax. Think of this as similar to a 30gb iPod but with an FM radio (and other features) and without $70 of the price. Great reviews: 4.5 of 5 by 55 reviewers.